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TFH Map Update, part 2


I got the March to Victory map incorporated into the Jet representation of the map of the United Kingdom. All areas (not including continental Europe) that have been upgraded are all of England up to the city of Carlysle. Scotland still looks like the old maps, because there is no current representation of the area, nor of Ireland.

There are a few concessions that I made. There are a lot of point cities on the March to Victory map. In the intervening 20 years, some of these towns have grown (obviously). If the city was a reference city on the original TFH maps, I inflated them to reference cities on the MtV maps, and if they were dot cities, I made them dot cities, pending more information.

I also put in low volume railroads in the place of roads. Again, more information is needed to determine if railroads were actually present. I am making assumptions for now.

Each picture below can be clicked on to enlarge it to get a better look at the map.

Southeast England

Southeast England

Wales

Wales

Central/Northern England

Central/Northern England

North England/Scotland

North England/Scotland

Scotland

Scotland

By way of comparison, here is what the original Their Finest Hour maps look like (from Cyberboard):

Cyberboard Scotland

Cyberboard Scotland

Cyberboard England

Cyberboard England

Comparing the two sets of maps, there are a few towns missing between the original maps and the MtV maps:

  • Harwich (reference city)
  • Bolton (dot city)
  • Bradford (dot city)
  • Ramsgate (reference city)
  • Eastbourne (reference city)
Milford Haven rail as it should look

Milford Haven rail as it should look

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7 thoughts on “TFH Map Update, part 2

  1. Don Harding on said:

    Nice work!

    A couple of comments (mainly spelling):

    On the Southeast England map it’s High Wycombe (not High Wyecombe), Peterborough (not Petersborough) and Folkestone (not Folkstone).

    On the Wales map it’s Milford Haven (not Mildred), LLANELLI (not Lianelli) the caps are for clarity, and Shrewsbury (not shrewesbury).

    On the C/N England map
    From local knowledge (as a Southport resident), the hexside between Southport and Blackpool should be sea and the port in the Southport hex should be in the Preston hex (this really annoyed me on the MtV map, sad I know).

    On the Scotland map the road going north from Glasgow should be a low volume rail line and end at a marginal(?) port. It’s called Mallaig but it’s not big enough to warrant any sort of city.

    Obviously none of this is important really.

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    • Mildred? MILDRED? Where the hell did I get Mildred? My proofreading staff have been sacked!

      Unfortunately, my eyes have a difficult time reading small print, even with my reading glasses. In the case of Llanelli, I honestly thought that was an ‘i’. The rest were silly little spelling errors that have since been corrected with your help. Thank you for that.

      According to the MtV map on which much of this is based, there is a bit of sea between Southport and Blackpool, but it is not a hexside. Drawing in hex detail in Jet is very limited, so I have to do what I can with it. It is not 100% faithful to the map, but it is as close as I can get it.

      Based on what I have seen and measured from Google Earth, Preston and Southport seem to be a bit further apart than they actually are. But in the same hex? I’m not so sure, but then again, I don’t live there. =)

      Scotland: This is all the old TFH maps. I left the roads as is, although I’m pretty sure they should be low volume railroads. Have to do research ion this area, and not really sure where to start. And Mallaig may be important as a point city or some such. Roads/railroads that lead to nowhere make my OCD start twitching.

      It’s all important. We are trying to lay some foundation as we have time, and getting it right (or at least as close as we can) is of paramount importance, and the assistance of people who live there will be very valuable.

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    • Now that I have taken another look at the Milford Have rail line, I see what you are saying. That’s very interesting because in the map editor, it shows it as low volume rail, not high cap rail, and loading it into Jet proper shows it as LV rail. I have no idea why that picture shows it as such. I’ll post it above.

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  2. alant14 on said:

    Nice work Tony. A couple of quick things.
    – Isle of Man was rough (?) terrain in TFH, looks like clear on the Jet map.
    – Narrow straits on Jet verses a road on TFH 5-6 hexes north of Glasgow.
    – Size and number of ports north of the MtV maps remains in question.
    – TFH road from Mildred Haven east to Shrewesbury is now rail on the Jet map. This should be checked into.

    One of the important things about town sizes is that they convey airbase capacity. TFH gives reference cities 3 cap.

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    • Thank you, Alan. A few answers to your quick things:

      Isle of Man: I think you are looking at the wrong island. Look a little further north for the port of Douglas. That’s the Isle of Man.

      Narrow straits: It is a software feature that whenever a road goes across sea, it becomes a narrow strait. The way to resolve this is to replace the road with a low volume railroad. This can be done easily, but I want to do some research on it first (but have no idea where to start).

      Size and number of ports: I agree with this. populations obviously can expand or contract over the course of 26 years. Some of those point cities may become reference cities, some dot cities, some may have shrunk. Some ports may have become more important, some may have declined in importance. Only research will give us those answers.

      TFH road/Mildred Haven: MILFORD! Who wrote Mildred? =P I did that on my own, because I just didn’t like how the road looked. Of course it is all subject to change as we learn more information.

      The reason I changed it is that the MtV map shows the line from Aberystwyth to Shrewsbury as an LV rail line, but not the line from Aberystwyth to Milford Haven, but it is shown as road on the original TFH maps. I took some license with it, but am willing to change it if it turns out to be incorrect.

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  3. Thomas Wall Hannaford Jr on said:

    I’ll also give this a BIG “thumbs up”!

    Really, if you’re going to do your OWN REVISION (or variant), that you want to be useable within GDW’s EUROPA, I’d suggest you “chart your own course”; pick the EUROPA design elements (specifications and rules) that you want to have in your version, then start adding your own!

    FYI; here’s a link to the digitized 1945 Ordnance maps of Great Britain:

    http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/results.jsp?xCenter=3173252&yCenter=3164760&scale=63360&mapLayer=europe&subLayer=new_pop&title=Ordnance%20Survey%20New%20Popular#

    Please note this is one HUGH map (combining ALL the smaller map sections), so scrolling around can be QUITE time consuming (but it is worth it); however the amount of detail provided is awesome! -TWHJr

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